Own Goals
Bismillah arRahman arRahim Anti Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam
March 2001
**Own Goals
Reply to an Ahmadiyya rebuttal of our Rs. 500,000 article**
- by Farooq -
Will it ever end, I wonder - the way the Ahmadis mislead people? On our website we have an article in which Dr. Rashid and (ex-Ahmadi) Ahtesham-ul-Haq Abdul Bari issued a reward of Rs. 500,000/= The article gives several quotes, followed by this reward-statement:
“From Anti Ahmadiyya Movement, we offer a reward of Rs. 500,000/= (about US$ 10,000/=) cash to the first among you who can prove in any court of law of the world that these quotations are wrong and therefore Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani is Imam Mahdi. ”
souce: Reward of Rs. 500,000/= by Dr. Syed Rashid Ali & (Ex-Ahmadi) Ahtesham-ul-Haq Abdul Bari
What does this say? It says that if anybody can prove that we “forged” these quotes, that they are wrong, then a reward of Rs. 500.000/- will be given.
Now the Ahmadis have surpassed themselves again by writing a rebuttal to this article in which they prove our quotes 100% correct, and on such a ground, they claim to refute our article. Yes, dear readers, there is no logic in such a rebuttal at all. You know it, we know it, but apparently the Ahmadiyya logic is not a usual thing.
First they proove that our quotes are 100% correct. Since they have no way to turn, they then add that we have ommitted crucial information from the quote and that if we had quoted the next sentence too, it would have made a difference. It’s the same old story, Ahmadis claiming that we intentionally quote too short. OK, I will reply to it once more.
The quote in question - our part in regular color, what the Ahmadis include in their “extended” quote, I have marked in bold-underline
“Thus, the coming person was named Mahdi, and there is this hint in it that that coming person will get religious knowledge from God, and will not be a student of any teacher in Quran and Hadith. Thus I say it on OATH that this state is my state. No one can prove that I have studied even a chapter of Quran or Hadith or Tafseer from any human or have been a student of any Mufassir (Commentator of Quran) or Muhaddith (Expert of Hadith). Thus this the Mahdi-hood which I have attained on the pattern of Muhammadi prophethood. And secrets (i.e in-depth understanding) of religion have been unveiled to me directly (i.e without the help of worldly resources)” (Ayam-us-Sulh, Roohani Khazain vol.14 p.394)
souce A Qadiani response to Dr. Rashid’s Rs. 500,000, An email article by Br. Qamar Ahmad
Victory! Victory! The Ahmadis cry. Why? Because they so just proved that our quote is 100% correct - which thus proves our article entirely CORRECT - such is the Ahmadiyya logic: they prove our quotes are correct and then their train of thought suddenly derails and they get entirely lost in absurdities and where they use as argument to refute our aticle, that they prove our quotes to be 100% correct.
Ah well, I have since long given up trying to understand the “Ahmadiyya logic”. It is a science in its own right. Although if you want to get a superb example of it, may I suggest The Story of a Computer Virus. A Must Read for anyone who wants to try to understand how Ahmadis think.
Anyway, having no other way to turn, they then add a sentence more to the quote and say: you see, Dr. Rashid did not give the full quote. Again they go “Triumph! Triumph!”. Yes well, we know what that means by now. Dear Ahmadis, if you want me to, I will add the next sentence too. What difference will that make? For a start, no matter how many more sentences you add, it will keep proving that our quote was 100% correct and not a word of it was fabricated. So what are you trying to prove? That by adding one sentence the entire meaning of the quote changes? Yes yes, it’s the same rethoric - only it applies to nothing. Because when you have a close look at the “quote + 1 sentence” you will see that it CONFIRMS the meaning in which we quoted it. So here you have the Ahmadiyya logic again: proving us 100% right, and then claiming victory. It makes no sense, no, but well - such is Ahmadiya: none of it makes sense. Maybe it would be easier to use soccer terms. In soccer they call this an “own goal”. And they keep doing it the whole game long - at the end of the game the Ahmadiyya team in the field shouts Victory! Victory! The Ahmdiyya public replies in chorus: Hurray!! Hurray!!
Minor detail: the hit all the balls in their own goal.
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But, lets us get back to the quote.
The content of the way we quote, says that Mirza received his thorough knowledge from no human teacher. As we saw earlier in this article, the Ahmadis add the next sentence in which Mirza by says he received his knowlegde from God. Fair enough, but what is the big deal? It means exactly the same thing: he had no human teacher. God taught him the the Quran. That is what Mirza claimed. Can anybody please explain to me how adding this next sentence alters the content?? It CONFIRMS the content and meaning of the way we quoted. [Referee:] Own Goal. [Ahmadiyya Team:] Victory Victory!! [Ahmadiyya Audience:] Hurray !!!
Mind you, it gets worse still. The Ahmadis then summarize their point which is meant to refute ours - only, it is exactly the same as the point we make:
“To summarize, it is to say that the “In-depth and True understanding” of Quran and Hadith which the author has presented to the world, were gifted to him by Allah and that it was not a result of being student of any Scholars or Experts of Quran and Hadith. ’”
souce A Qadiani response to Dr. Rashid’s Rs. 500,000, An email article by Br. Qamar Ahmad
Yes. That’s exactly what the quote means and how we quoted it, isn’t it. So what are they are going on about? Do you know? I don’t.
Having thus several times proven us right, they now try to refute the whole thing once more. That is to say, they are now going to prove our other quotes, in which we show that Mirza on the contrary DID study the Holy Quran etc, well, believe it or not but they are going to prove this correct too. They will confirm yet once again what we said, and they will claim victory again.
OK, let’s have a look.
“In childhood, my education was done in this manner that when I was 6,7 years old, a persian-speaking teacher was appointed for me who taught me Holy Quran and some persian books and the name of this teacher was Fazal Ilahi. And when my age was about 10 years, then an Arabic teacher was appointed for my education whose name was Fazal Ahmad … From him I read some books and the grammar. When I reached 17 or 18 years of age, I had the opportunity of receiving education from another Molvi Sahib, his name was Gul Ali Shah… From this lastly mentioned Molvi Sahib I studied grammar and logic and Herbal Medicine (Hikmat). ” (Kitab ul Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol.13 p.180-181) ”
So. Mirza has three teachers. For the Ahmadis the bolds they added to our quote, prove that Mirza also studied other things. Wow. In just a second we shall have a look at what exactly he studied. But first, I would like to do what the Ahmadis do, add one more sentence to the quote. Same page of the same book - and now dear readers, it is up to you to decide who misquotes with the intention of misleading the readers.
…”In those days I was so much absorbed in the study of books that it was as if I was not living in this world. My father frequently instructed me to reduce my reading of books because he was afraid, out of great concern, in case my health should suffer”.
(Kitab ul Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol.13 p.180-181)
Yep - by stating that we should have included more of the quote, the Ahmadis scored an own goal again. We added more of the quote, and confirmed our point.
The point Dr. Rashid was making with this quote, is that whereas Mirza says on the one hand
“No one can prove that I have studied even a chapter of Quran or Hadith or Tafseer from any human”
on the other hand Mirza says himself that he had teachers who taught him the Quran. Sounds like a little bit more than one chapter, doesn’t it. We already see that on the same page as the one from which we quote, Mirza says that he spends whole days in his books to the extent that he lives in another world and his father is concerned about his health.
Since the Ahmadis are so keen on opening the subject of what exactly Mirza studied, let’s have a look then. We already know he had three successive teachers. What else did his study consist of?
The Ahmadis so just pointed out to us with passion that Mirza received his knowlegde of the Holy Quran directly from God.
“My father was a man of impressive presence and possessed great courage and high resolve. I saw him seated on a glorious trone and it was conveyed to me that he was God”.
(Al-Hakam Vol. VI No. 17 May 10, 1902, p. 7)
Where else to get his divine knowledge than directly from God’s library?!
“He was, however fond of study, and would remain absorbed in his father’s library for such long hours that his father had to remonstrate with him fearing left he might injure his health” (Mirza Ghulam, quoted in : Hazrat Ahmad, by Hazrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad, Khalifatul Masih II, p. 15-16)
OK. Here we have a few more:
“From his early days, Hazray Ahmad had studious habits and loved to remain in seclusion with his books. (Ibid, p. 5)”
“When his day’s work was finished, he would go straight to his residence and burry himself in the pages of his books. (Ibid, p. 5)
Good a decade before “God speaks to him”, Mirza locks himself up in his room, and studies comparative religion. Later God will tell him from His Library, what Mirza studied in these years:
“From his early life, he was a student of not only Islam but also of comparative religion. ” (“The Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement”, Muhammad Ali, p. 10)
“Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a clerck in Sialkot about the year 1860 to 1861. His age was then about 22 - 24 years. We can say as an eye-witness that, even in the prime of his youth, he was a very righteous and God-fearing man. After finishing his official work, he spent the whole of his time in the study of religious works. He mingled very little with others. (Ibid p. 6)
And now the creme of the cake. Just how much he studied in his childhood, youth and early adulthood, is described by Muhammad Ali in “The Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement”. That’s the official biography of Mirza:
“His only devotional exercise was the study of the Holy Quran in solitude. For days and months, he would continue studying the Holy Book, and so great was his love for it that those who saw him were convinced that he was never tired of reading it. His son, Mirza Sultan Ahmad, who was then a young man of about twenty-five years, bears witness to this in the following words: ‘He had a copy of the HOLY QURAN which he was continuously reading and marking. I CAN SAY WITHOUT EXAGGERATION THAT HE MIGHT HAVE READ IT TEN THOUSAND TIMES’. ” (“The Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement”, Muhammad Ali, p. 9, where he quotes Mirza’s son)
Straight from God, dear readers. His son says: “I CAN SAY WITHOUT EXAGGERATION THAT HE MIGHT HAVE READ IT TEN THOUSAND TIMES’. ” If I read the Holy Quran 10.000 times, the next time I remember a sentence, I am not going to pretend I hear God telling me something. It shows the boast-level of Mirza’s claims. Memorize a text, then remember it by heart, and claim it is God who speaks to you and reveals the Holy Quran to you. Yet that is exactly what Mirza does in his Plagiarizations of the Holy Quran. Revelations directly from God’s Library !
Surely this proves beyond any doubt where Mirza got his knowledge from.
Game over, you will think.
Not for the Ahmadis, it isn’t. They now storm the field and in extatic euphoria caused by all their own goals, they declare about us and our articles (bolds in their original text):
“Have you noticed that how these habitual liars have intentionally omitted some important line from the quotations of the Promised Messiah (A.S) so that they may present totally false picture of the fact and misguide the masses.??. ”
souce A Qadiani response to Dr. Rashid’s Rs. 500,000, An email article by Br. Qamar Ahmad
Look who’s talking. Maybe somebody ought to explain a few basic things to the Ahmadis. For instance, that in soccer when you hit one ball after another into your own goal, you do not win, you loose. Or in a discussion, when you produce one point after another to confirm the article of the opponent, that all this confirmation adds up to confirming the opponent is correct. Somebody ought to explain to them that if they wish to refute something, they have to prove it wrong, instead of proving it is correct - but thanks anyway, as it shows we bring accurate information.
You see, there is something really weird happening in their mind - maybe it’s all these occult teachings their doctrine is rooted in, but from facts to conclusion, there is some kind of shortcircuit that suddenly leads the whole thing to shift to a totally unexpected and irrational conclusion: “the opponent is right, so we claim victory”. Such is the Ahmadiyya logic dear Readers. I don’t think it will ever cease to amaze me.
Let me reiterate the exact text of our reward article concerning the quotes we give in it:
“From Anti Ahmadiyya Movement, we offer a reward of Rs. 500,000/= (about US$ 10,000/=) cash to the first among you who can prove in any court of law of the world that these quotations are wrong and therefore Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani is Imam Mahdi. ”
souce: Reward of Rs. 500,000/= by Dr. Syed Rashid Ali & (Ex-Ahmadi) Ahtesham-ul-Haq Abdul Bari
If the Ahmadis are so confident that they have actually proven these particular quotes to be wrong, then why haven’t they claimed their reward at a legal court of justice? Or are they afraid their logic would be exposed in a courtroom too, just like it was exposed here?
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Originally published at alhafeez.org/rashid/rewardrep.html